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Post  liteglow on Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:40 pm

Ok, there have been a quiet summer so far.
I have been waiting for parts, stuff, ideas, and some good weather !

I have now in stock:

- 4 Pumps, FLOW4500
- 4 huge Water tank
- 4 Nozzles ready to be mounted
- 14 Degree Celsius and OK sunny weather Wink

Here is picture of the assembling of the water tank:

Finding a perfect dimension:



Cut it the depth I need it to be (50cm):



Welding the bottom, and drilling in a small outlet hole:



Here is the final result, 4 water tank, and 4 nozzle pipes:


I must thank my friend for making this Plastic pieces for me !!
The total cost for this would have been $$$$ ... (and my cost: $0)

Now I have to start with the digging, and assemble the nozzles !
I have almost everything I need.
Brass ring, straws, lexan, and glue..

What I don't have is fiber-optic, and a sponge !!!!

Thanx for reading Smile


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Post  Magic-nozzle on Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:12 am

WOW, This looks cool! amzing! Ohh man i wish i had a friend can make such nice tubes.
Good luck with the installation.
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Post  liteglow on Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:03 am

Here is how I think it will be connected together :

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Post  Magic-nozzle on Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:34 am

Hi Filip, I think this is not a good idea. The water in the big tank will evaporate and you will put every second day water in the thank. The best is water at the same level in every tank. 0 Problems like this. Hope you find a easy cool solution.
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Post  Magic-nozzle on Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:31 am

Hmm.. OK that is not the problem, your idea will work i think. You just take care that enough water is in the lower tank, thats all. Great! Nice!
I Buy today my tubing for the connection between the two tanks. i use 63mm PVC tubing with a tank connector like this .. http://www.koi-breeder.ch/shop/durchfuehrung-pol.jpg and tube like this http://www.koi-breeder.ch/shop/pvcschlauch.jpg
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Post  liteglow on Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:31 am

Magic-nozzle wrote:Hi Filip, I think this is not a good idea. The water in the big tank will evaporate and you will put every second day water in the thank. The best is water at the same level in every tank. 0 Problems like this. Hope you find a easy cool solution.

Hi, sorry to say but this is a good idea Wink haha..
This is actually the ONLY solution !!!

Because if you should have the same water level in my pond, as in my tank.
The water level would have been 20-40cm below ground level !
First of all, it would not look pretty with a so deep pond without water...
Second, it would have been dangerous for kids to fall into the pond if it was so deep..

The pond\fountain will only have 20-30cm deep water level.
And the tank with the nozzles is 60cm high, and will be uinder the ground level..

I have 4 pipes connected to each water tank, (50mm drain pipes) !
And to make sure the water (from earth\heaven) not go over the laminar nozzle output.
I will have a electronic water level indicator, and I will also drill drain holes so the water will disrepair into the earth Wink

I have been thinking out this setup for a very very very long time now..
And the conclusion is that THIS is the only way to do it !!

Very Happy
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Post  liteglow on Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:52 pm

Hi, here follow some updates Smile

I have painted my pool (water pond) with white Epoxy Wink




Here is the old "test" nozzle I did use, no wonder why this did not work lately !!!!



I dont understand what had happend to that steel Shocked I think the metal mesh did react into the water hose-plug !!
Pretty bad result there (just after 3-4 weeks) .


Anyway, I did receive my sponge today:




Mounted it inside my nozzle:





I did put allot of work into my new nozzle today.
With the 90degree bended inlet, and 1,5" thick filter in bottom, straws, and a small pipe to place the fiber optics !!

But the result was actually crappy Sad
I hate when that happened, and I don't understand what the problem is here (again) !
Is it the filter, maybe the long distance from the straws to the output, to much power in water?

I will be away until Sunday, and then I must open my nozzle and try to remove the fiber optic holder..
And maybe add one more filter in my tank !


Btw: the setup is : water intput - Filter - Straws - 2-3" air - output --

Maybe I need air between filter and straws ?
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Post  Magic-nozzle on Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:41 pm

Hi Filip, Ohh no! Thats bad. When i mounted my Fibers first, i loose a lot of quality in thze small nozzle. specially a 90 deg. input is not good for the water flow, because the water must find a way arround the nozzle. Go straught in with the fibers and the problem is gonne. Smile
Or makie a longer nozzle or try to put a mesh inside, same you use in the kitchen, a verry small one after the straws, that helps.

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Update !! :-)

Post  liteglow on Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:24 pm

I have made 2 nozzles now :-)
So the next days I will continue to make the 2 last one..

Here follow some pictures:












And here is a Video :




There is no Cutter on the nozzles yet!
But I will try to make one... the problem is how!!!!

Cheers, and thanx for support :-)
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Post  Nozzle_Dreamer on Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:03 pm

Are you using a low pass filter to elimintare pump jitter?

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Post  liteglow on Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:01 am

Nozzle_Dreamer wrote:Are you using a low pass filter to elimintare pump jitter?

No !

I have no jitter on the beam..
On the first picture you can se the water is breaking appart, that is only becouse of the heavy wind ! Smile

I have NO problem make the beam go 2 meeter high, and 2-3 meeter long Smile
But after 3 meeter distance it will break apart at the end.
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Post  liteglow on Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:32 am

New day, and new problems !

Done some testing today:



The water tank and my pool worked out just great..
The only problem is (exactly what Mario warned me about) that the nozzle shake because of the vibration from the pump.
So there can maybe be a problem to have the pump in the same water tank as the nozzle scratch

I need a solution !! and I need it quick !
One solution is to have all 4 pumps in the pool, but it will be ugly, more work, and the most important of all, I need to have the water going OUT of the water tank.. so there must be pumps in the tank !

Damn I so much want to make a call to WET and ask for some tip Wink
haha


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Post  Magic-nozzle on Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:28 am

Hi Filip

First, You did a nice Job, you have some Probelems install it, that is normal. You changed the design. Why is the big thank now same level as the floor? Looks really good, Very good, i like the quality of your stream, Amazing and this without a low pass ..Great! I have more Jitter with a low pass. Crying or Very sad

Yes, the Pump in the same tank is not good Evil or Very Mad , i tryed it earlier, itwould be so much easer. I have now the source hose for the Nozzle inside the biger hose from the big tank .. very clever! Can you also do this? All you need is a big tube from your big tank to one of your small tanks, thats all. 2 1/2" min.

I Worked now 2 Weeks on a new Master controll board, and now its finished! A lot more futures now.
I also have my tanks ready and started to dig up the Garden, but in 2 weeks i go to my holiday and i think i finish in August.

Hope you can use my solution, and keep on Working.... I like the video ,, Very Happy

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Post  liteglow on Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:40 am

Hi Mario !

First of all, I did not change the design .
It maybe seems like it on the picture, but the water level in the big pool is much higher than in the laminar water tank !
The tank is actually 60cm high, but the water is only 30cm ...
Reason is that the nozzle is higher than the water lever (Because of the cutter.....) !

I`m not so sure if I did understand what your tip was ?
In the picture the pump is places in the pool (then it works) ..
But the problem will be when the cutter is activated, all water will then collect in the small tanks.
And because of the lower water level in the nozzle tanks, it will be a problem if the water go to high there !

So the pump MUST pump water from the tanks !!
I not so sure how to do it, I think the ONLY solution is to isolate the pump\nozzle ?

Maybe place the nozzle on some filter, and maybe also place the pump on a filter.
Maybe I can place another PVC pipe around the pump to isolate it ..

hmmz..
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Post  Magic-nozzle on Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:49 am

Noe i understand ...

You need a 5th pump, and bring the water back in the big tank .. thats the easy way, just make a conteroller, when the water level is high or pump during cuts, make a extra small collect tank for this. Or make a thank next to each nozzle and put the Pump there ...

That is also a good solution.
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Post  liteglow on Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:52 am

Yes... I can have a 5th pump !
That is one solution (but if you do the math, 4x4500ltr pumps) you need allot of water back into the big pool Razz

I think I need to think about this over the night haha Wink
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Solution !! ;-)

Post  liteglow on Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:55 pm

Problem : The pump cannot be in the same water tank as the nozzle !

Solution: Place all pumps in a separate water tank Wink

Well, the solution is quite obvious, but since I MUST have the pump in the tank I was thinking allot of it !
Then it suddenly hit me like a bomb haha..

I did place the laminar nozzle in one water tank, and place the pump in the other (of my 4) !
So the solution now is to not have 4 nozzle, but only 3 nozzle in 3 water tanks.
And then use the 4th tank to only have all 3 pumps together :-)

Not as I had planned.. but I have to do whatever it takes to make this work.
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The stream work perfect now..


Pump placed (under ground) in one water tank, and the nozzle in the other.


But what to do with all the dirt ??
I wonder how the Bellagio remove the dirt in the water..



Think I need to include some sort of filter tank in my system..


Thanx for reading :-)
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Post  Magic-nozzle on Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:30 pm

Hi, Looks Great! Yes the dirt is a problem, but its notn easy a open water make really clean without chemicals, and from time to time use a water vacum cleaner to clean your big tank. that is the reason i work with closed water, a little less Dirt.
Cool solution, 3 Nozzles and 1 back pump. Very Happy
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Post  John on Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:57 am

That is looking sooooo cooool! Way to go!!! I can't remember do you have a cutter or lighting on those?
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Post  liteglow on Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:26 pm

Thanx John, and Mario Smile

Mario: Hmm think you got it wrong again haha..
I have all pumps in one tank, and the nozzles in the other tank..
The return water will go in the pipes from the big pool back to the tank..

The "new" problem is that I think maybe my return pipe is to small ..
The huge amount of water from 1, 2 maybe 3 and worst case 4 nozzles, will make the big pool to go under water Surprised

So that will be another mission to complete..
I will only start with 2 nozzles first ! it that success I will think about adding it to maybe 3 nozzles ..

The other problem is so much dirt collecting inside my nozzles..
But I hope it will be better when I have grass in my garden, not only sand and dirt !


Light: I have 3mm Fiber optics, I also have a small 10mm pipe to press inside my nozzle from bottom and up to the output ( like Mario) ... But I have only 4-5 RED Luxeon LED, and no driver to them !

Shutter: here is one test I made today





Note done yet, but it did actually work OK !
I just need to add pipe over and under it to remove the splashing water.

Thanx for reading, it have been a loooong day today Sleep
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Post  Magic-nozzle on Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:50 am

That is cool! A nice cutter! The big problem is to bring away the splash water ande reduce the shaking when cut, and try to make not that big noise. Do you think the solenoid will live longer than one month in the splash water? Or do you plan to make a Housing arround it. The most solenoids are made of unprotected iron, and work not for long time in the water.

Dirt:
I use a filter sponge on the inlet of my pump, the same as in the nozzle no dirt in the Nozzelanymore Very Happy

I can see, you are using a mesh after the Straws. I removed my mesh, cant see a diference.

But you going fast forward, nice to see and to read.

Cheers. bounce
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Post  liteglow on Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:37 pm

Hmm... about the solenoid and water.
I think I will try to make a house around it, and seal it for water !
I guess that is another problem to face someday Wink

The cutter seems to "almost" work..
Tail is OK, but the nose is not so good... seems like there is some water blocking the output after release!

Video:




To be true, at this moment I wish I never started all this at this big scale Razz
I know think that only 1 nozzle is more than you need in a garden haha..
But the 100kg concrete pool is not possible to remove, so there is no way to go back now .. damn...
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Post  Magic-nozzle on Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:22 pm

Hey Filip, that looks Awsone! Wow, your Cutter is working ok. I know the feelings you have, i was often at this moment, to say, stop that Project, but no way, afer 2 weeks break i have to come back and start over. It takes time, don't hurry and step by step. Good things needs time. I Work now over 1 year on this project and so many details are not as cool as i want it to. Your uncut is great! The cut is allways a Problem, i never seen a perfect one, also the Pro's have a nose on the uncut. One thing, try to use a strong spring, not a rubber band. The uncut must be as fast as possibloe, with less shaking, try to install some sponge or similar when the knife come back to catch the shaking, that help to have a clean stream after the uncut, with the splasing water you have to experient arround, it takes me months to try and error find a nice solution. If you can use 2 Solenoids its better, same speed both directions. But your system looks really nice till today. Great Work.

Good luck ...
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Post  liteglow on Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:50 am

ahh.. sunday and a 8.5 hour long work that !!
That should not be allowed Evil or Very Mad (tired) so no work today..

Mario, hmm yes maybe you are correct about the cutter !
It can be that my return is the reason that I have a nose after release !

But on the other way, if I have a stronger spring ... the solenoid will be slower (because of the spring) and maybe I will get a bad tail ? .. hmm..

Is there any patent on the BEST way to design the cutter blade ?
Should it be flat, tilted in, tilted out, tilted out to the side ?

Thanx for reading, I will do no more work today..
And tomorrow I hope I receive my new Belt CP helicopter Very Happy haha... take some time off and fly .
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Post  Magic-nozzle on Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:21 pm

There is no nice patent arround for a great cutter. You have to try. I use actually a kind disc as a cutter 3cm diameter, mounted from the top. A stepper motor can drive both directions as the same speed, that is fast and nice, A fast stepper can cut 30 times a second. 2 solenoits or a "turning solenoid" will also work, but expensive. The building of my cutter takes longer than all the other nozzle stuff together, its not easy and it seems every solution is not 100% perfect. Cool a New Heli, great Idea, i have to load my Zoom 450 Belt drive up too and fly a bit round. Very Happy Today i dig up the garden, got some help Very Happy
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